‘I don’t hate Mahathir, I just despise him’

A reader using the pseudonym ‘2nd class’ responded to our Saturday posting Rebutting Mahathir, the ‘proud to be anti-Semitic’ hypocrite by saying “Your anti-Mahathir opinion is clearly based on your hatred towards him and not based on fact.”

2nd class also added: “Mahathir may have done injustice to some Malaysian but this is not the reason for you to deny the justice for those Palestinian and support the cruelty of Zionist!”

Our guest writer Maz who wrote the rebuttal to Mahathir has replied to 2nd class in the comments section.

However, we feel that what Maz says about addressing facts [and not resorting to accusations like “you’re a hater” or “you’re anti-Islam” or “You’re an Islamophobe”] deserves to be put up as a Hartal posting proper so that Malaysian blogosphere will realize their bad habit of making personal attacks on writers.


By Maz

Do I hate Mahathir? No. Hatred is defined as an all consuming passion of negative feelings for an individual one knows well. I do not know him well (only ran into him one too many times… mostly at KLCC).

I despise Mahathir. Despising someone does not require you know them well, hatred does. If I knew him better, then I would hate him.

Everything written here — see also Did Mahathir ask the Saatchi family if they were Zionists before hiring them? — is based on fact except where I used adjectives to describe Mahathir which is clearly subjective.

You do not refute any of my comments about Israel; you merely ape Mahathir’s tired old anti-Israel (anti-Semitic) nonsense. You do not state what about Zionism is cruel, that [which] separates it from “Pakistanism’ or Iranian theocracy.

You bandy about ‘Zionism’ as an epithet as all anti-Semites are wont to do without a clue as to what it means.

You are ignorant of the fact that Israel agreed to partition British-mandated Palestine into a Jewish component (Israel) and an Arab component. Had the ‘Palestinian’ Arabs agreed, Israel would have been reduced to the 1947 borders and the ‘Palestinians’ would have had a lot more land they will ever hope to get now.

Don’t even mention that the British handed the East Bank (Transjordan) to the Bedouin (Badawi) Hashemite clan of Arabia (King Abdullah II) who are no more indigenous to the present-day Jordan than elephants are native to Antarctica. In fact Canaanite Arabs (the real Palestinians) are native to Jordan; why did the British not just hand it to them even though they refused compromise with Israel and later assassinated King Abdullah II ?

It is the Hashemites that usurped Canaanite Arab land, not Jews who do not, and have never lived in Amman or Irbil or Petra. When Jordan controlled the West Bank and East Jerusalem prior to 1968, why didn’t they give the Palestinians a homeland in part of the West Bank if King Hussein was such an ardent supporter of the Palestinian cause (or maybe because the Jordanians are hypocrites)?

Before you go mouthing off about Zionism and the ‘poor Palestinians’, better do some homework first or you will end up looking just as foolish as Mahathir and his patrons in Tehran, Riyadh, Damascus, Tripoli and Khartoum.

And Hamas is far, far more cruel to their Arab citizens in Gaza than Israel is to Arab-Israelis in the Galilee region (though Israel could improve its human rights record as Israelis themselves frequently point out).

As for ‘inhumane’ Zionists: If they are so bloody inhumane why are so many Muslim Darfurians, Muslim Sudanese, Muslim Eritreans so desperate to come to Israel to work and live and beg the Israeli border guards not to send them back home or [to send them] to the arms and guns of the awaiting Egyptian border guards who will shoot them on sight?

Why has the Muslim Darfurian and south Sudanese Liberation Army transitional government stated that they will establish relations with Israel no matter what any Arab government says or threatens because they have stated how thankful they are to Israel for the aid it gave to (Muslim) Darfurians while they were being slaughtered by Arab Janjaweed militias directed from Khartoum.


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10 Responses to “‘I don’t hate Mahathir, I just despise him’”
  1. john says:

    You are a piece of shit…racist shit.,love to see ppl of different races n religions fighting.,.stop your nonsense

  2. Maz says:

    You are a piece of shit…racist shit.,love to see ppl of different races n religions fighting.,.stop your nonsense
    Your illiteracy is only exceeded by your vanity….next time you pass a mirror, have a deep long look.



    Hartal MSM:
    Maz, perhaps the guy’s comment was addressed to or directed at the Great One himself? Just a thought… The trouble with Malaysians (if he’s one) commenting online is that many are not precise in their articulation.

    • Maz says:

      Point well taken. If my comments were not the object of John’s venom then
      I am in error for assuming such. This might be an example of imprecise
      articulation which is not uncommon in Malaysia, truly. Though I would
      have probably avoided referring to Mahathir in such a colourful scatological fashion,
      John should be free to do so.


      • hartalmsm says:

        Maz, it appears that John’s venom is directed at you after all. The brainwashing from Malaysia’s one-sided pro-Palestine media has done a thorough job.

  3. john says:

    Hey maz say what you want i dont care..mahahtir have the right to say what he wants to.,that is his opinion…maybe he knew something that we dont..maybe you should live in palestine for few months so that we can have a clearer picture what is really happening over there…


    Hartal MSM: ‘John’, you seem to get your picture of what is happening in ‘Palestine’ a lot from the local propaganda. Try looking at some real photos of scenes in Gaza:
    Palestinians enjoy more expensive holidays than your average Kedahan or Sabahan, Mercedes on the roads, Pictures: How Gaza celebrated last Raya Korban, Posh hotel, wining and dining in Gaza, Holiday resorts in Gaza, Swimming pool & other facilities in Gaza, New shopping mall in Gaza.

    • azma says:

      Ido agree with hartal that more than 30% of the Palestinians live in luxury.Try ask their students here, most will say that many of the rulling/upper class Paletinians in Gaza and West bank owns large houses with swimming pool in their backyard just like us.What the world sees is just propaganda that they lived in hardship .No doubt some may live in poverty,but it is the same in any democracies that were based on capilastic ideals, including Malaysia,where we can see alot of hardships in ”setinggan” areas..Palestinian students overseas esp in France and Europe spent thier monies like nobody’s business.So in future please analyse any news with objectivity not with sentiments or bias/racial/religious tint.

  4. If you have to be a Malay before you can become a chief or head of of a government department regardless of your qualification then what are you except a real racist ? That was the policy you started in the civil services,
    Shenanigan Mahathir you can keep on denying that you are a racist but the truth is you are not only a bloody racist but a real shenanigan.
    What about the rest of the 40% of the population ? Why are they not reflected in the civil servants list ? And that is if the figures you gave are to be taken as accurate ?
    Also how many of the Malaysian born non Malay applications for citizenships would take 30 years before their approval are given and accounted for as voters in the election? When the Indonesian applications would take only months to get their approval. How many millions Malaysian borne non Malays are there ?
    Any wonder why the percentages of the non Malays keep diminishing when compared with the so called Malays ?
    It looks like the fate of these applications of the Malaysian borne non Malays would have to wait for 30 years before their results are known ?Or only after 3 millions Indonesian applications’ are approved before a small percentage of the locally born non citizens applications are even considered. Any wonder why the percentages of the Malaysian borne non Malays keep diminishing when compared with the so called imported Indonesian thieves and robbers ?

  5. Maz says:

    You can include Marina in my “Despise” list:
    This from her blog today (see below)..

    My response (if one were able to get past her highly selective website registration
    process, only slightly easier than PaPa’s):

    “Hey Marina LAAA…what ? Had to find a Leftwing anti-Israel Jew to defend anti-Zionism MA
    and whine about widespread Islamophobia in the United States ? Evidence MAAA ?????
    What ? Not enough radical Muslim anti-Zionists in Gaza, Iran, Libya, Syria, Pakistan, Turkey,
    Indonesia or Malaysia from which to choose ? Just like PaPa…trot out a rabbit to prove
    that there is a fox nearby (to borrow a well-known Chinese phrase). A person with more
    cojones (or the female equivalent) would just simply show their bigotry rather than engage
    in obvious disingenuousness…so like PaPa..”
    Marina’s Blog today:

    The writer Max Blumenthal has written a very interesting article called the Great Islamophobic Crusade, detailing how Islamophobia in the US and Europe is a planned hate campaign by the far-right and Zionists. It’s a very interesting read and lays to rest the idea of Islamophobia as a mere figment of Muslim imagination.

    I’m not reprinting the whole thing here because it is a very long article with many links to other articles. But here are a few choice extracts:

    Erupting so many years after the September 11th trauma, this spasm of anti-Muslim bigotry might seem oddly timed and unexpectedly spontaneous. But think again: it’s the fruit of an organized, long-term campaign by a tight confederation of right-wing activists and operatives who first focused on Islamophobia soon after the September 11th attacks, but only attained critical mass during the Obama era. It was then that embittered conservative forces, voted out of power in 2008, sought with remarkable success to leverage cultural resentment into political and partisan gain.

    Little of recent American Islamophobia (with a strong emphasis on the “phobia”) is sheer happenstance. Years before Tea Party shock troops massed for angry protests outside the proposed site of an Islamic community center in lower Manhattan, representatives of the Israel lobby and the Jewish-American establishment launched a campaign against pro-Palestinian campus activism that would prove a seedbed for everything to come. That campaign quickly — and perhaps predictably — morphed into a series of crusades against mosques and Islamic schools which, in turn, attracted an assortment of shady but exceptionally energetic militants into the network’s ranks.

    Besides providing the initial energy for the Islamophobic crusade, conservative elements from within the pro-Israel lobby bankrolled the network’s apparatus, enabling it to influence the national debate. One philanthropist in particular has provided the beneficence to propel the campaign ahead. He is a little-known Los Angeles-area software security entrepreneur named Aubrey Chernick, who operates out of a security consulting firm blandly named the National Center for Crisis and Continuity Coordination. A former trustee of the Washington Institute for Near East Policy, which has served as a think tank for the American Israel Policy Action Committee (AIPAC), a frontline lobbying group for Israel, Chernick is said to be worth $750 million.
    My response:


    My response: A hate crime is a hate crime, regardless of the victim..no justification..FULL STOP.
    But is there really a wave of Islamophobia in the USA as Marina, PaPa M, Najib and Imam Rauf
    claim ? Seems not….Europe ? Maybe…..though Europeans might argue that the recent terrorist
    incidents in UK, Germany, Denmark and the Netherlands justify a tough response against
    recent Muslim immigrants in the EU as some (not all) are Jihadis and militants. We see, however,
    no such police actions in the US except where there is just cause (I can’t imagine Marina would
    regard Liberal Obama and Uber Liberal American Attorney General Eric Holder as catalysts for
    latent Islamophobia in the USA, but then Marina is as loose with the facts as PaPa..sad to say)…


  6. Maz says:

    maybe he knew something that we dont..maybe you should live in palestine for few months so that we can have a clearer picture what is really happening over there…

    No, I will pay for your one-way plane ticket to ‘Palestine’. When Hamas starts knocking on
    your day in the middle of the night because you didn’t attend Mosque Friday night or you
    forgot to bribe the local Fatah chieftain of your city block with 200 rials, don’t call me….call the
    local Imam and pray like hell for your remaining relatives in Malaysia-since you will be
    a lost cause. Since “John” doesn’t sound Muslim, then pray as a non-Muslim in ‘Palestine’
    you get out alive (you will need lots of $$$ for that) and you can then join the 75 % of Arab Christians
    in the West Bank who have left “Palestine’ for USA, Europe and Australia because they discovered
    their pro-Palestinian loyalty didn’t save them from Fatah and Hamas because being Arab
    Christians was ‘worse’…

    Enjoy the sun and surf !


  7. Maz says:

    Maz, it appears that John’s venom is directed at you after all. The brainwashing from Malaysia’s one-sided pro-Palestine media has done a thorough job.
    “Truth is the best anti-venom” (a cliche though it may be)

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